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and his policies will help the middle class and how they'll defend medicare and social security. >> doug? >> i felt as though joe biden definitely had much more of an emotional appeal, but i think paul ryan was definitely more call and stated the facts much better than joe biden did. >> kate, what do you think? >> i think both spoke to the voters that they needed to speak to and i think that the lasting effect from biden's talking points from what he was saying will be stronger than to rain's. >> ryan? >> i think joe biden absolutely -- ryan's. >> ryan? >> i think joe biden absolutely stole the debate tonight. i think it resonates with middle class families. they like to see somebody is fighting for them. >> by raising your hand, anybody change their mind here? no. just the head nod. let's talk about something i saw on twitter. joe biden smiles, even some laughter, especially when paul ryan was talking about iran's nuclear capabilities. anybody have a problem with that or felt it was effective? >> i personally thought biden seemed like he was like why am i debating this 40 something
and his policies will help the middle class and how they'll defend medicare and social security. >> doug? >> i felt as though joe biden definitely had much more of an emotional appeal, but i think paul ryan was definitely more call and stated the facts much better than joe biden did. >> kate, what do you think? >> i think both spoke to the voters that they needed to speak to and i think that the lasting effect from biden's talking points from what he was saying will be...
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ryan said medicare and social security need to be reformed. he laid out his and romney's plans and slammed obama care, while biden attacked the congressman's plan to reform it. >> they want to wipe this all out. it also gave more benefits. any senior ask yourself, do you have more benefits today? you do. you have $600 more to help your prescription drug costs. wellness visits without copays. they wipe this out and medicare becomes insolvent in 2016. >> give young people guaranteed options you can't be denied, including traditional medicare. choose your plans and medicare subsidizes your people. total out of pocket coverage for poor and the sick. we would rather have 50 million future seniors determine how their medicare is delivered to them, instead of 15 bureau accurates deciding what, if, where they get it. >> they interrupted one another throughout the debate. but both sides seemed confidence in their performance, with president obama saying biden was terrific, and likewise, romney called ryan and congratulated him on his performance. while
ryan said medicare and social security need to be reformed. he laid out his and romney's plans and slammed obama care, while biden attacked the congressman's plan to reform it. >> they want to wipe this all out. it also gave more benefits. any senior ask yourself, do you have more benefits today? you do. you have $600 more to help your prescription drug costs. wellness visits without copays. they wipe this out and medicare becomes insolvent in 2016. >> give young people guaranteed...
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you can't claim this money goes to medicare and obama care. and then they put this new obama care board in charge of cutting medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors. this board, by the way, 15 people, the president is supposed to appoint them next year and not one of them has to have medical chaining. and if we don't shore up social security, when we run out of the ious, a 25% across the board benefit cut kicks in on current seniors in the middle of their retirement. we're going to stop that from happening. they haven't put a credibility absolu solution on the table. he'll tell you about vouchers, all these things to try to scare people. here is what we're saying. give younger people guaranteed coverage options that you can't be denied. including traditional medicare. choose your plan and then medicare subsidizes your premiums. not as much for the wealthy people. more coverage for middle income people and total out of pocket coverage for the poor and the sick. choice and competition. we would rath
you can't claim this money goes to medicare and obama care. and then they put this new obama care board in charge of cutting medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors. this board, by the way, 15 people, the president is supposed to appoint them next year and not one of them has to have medical chaining. and if we don't shore up social security, when we run out of the ious, a 25% across the board benefit cut kicks in on current seniors in the middle...
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obama takes $716 billion out of medicare but not acknowledging it is for providers not beneficiaries. >> here has the problem, they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar turning medicare into a biggy bank for their own obama-care. 1 out of 6 hospital and nursing homes will go out of business as a result of this. >> 1 in 6 hospitals and nursing homes will go out of business. not quite. medicare's chief act tu auary d testify the cuts testify the cuts under obama-care would be an issue. 15% of providers could become unprofitable without productivity adjustments. did not say they would go out of business. the math about reducing taxes, let ing t letting the the bush tax expire, biden said if you let the tax cuts on millionaires expire they want it to expire on more than $250,000. that's it. back to you. >> the that was one of our key questions midway through the debate. thanks. to david walker. head of the comeback commission. he was talking about info on taxes and the deficit an didn't quite get it. i'm sure you feel the same way. >> i sure do. we spent too much time on foreign
obama takes $716 billion out of medicare but not acknowledging it is for providers not beneficiaries. >> here has the problem, they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar turning medicare into a biggy bank for their own obama-care. 1 out of 6 hospital and nursing homes will go out of business as a result of this. >> 1 in 6 hospitals and nursing homes will go out of business. not quite. medicare's chief act tu auary d testify the cuts testify the cuts under obama-care would be...
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making medicare stronger except what the president did with obama care. >> romney takes the same $716 billion out. the same number. >> the ryan plan is designed to make medicare stronger and it does it along the lines of medicare advantage and part d. it does it by giving seniors more choices and counting on them to police the waste and the fraud in the system and that's worked very well with medicare advantage and medicare part d. aimed at saving medicare. obama care takes money out of medicare to pay for a program that seniors can't use and most people don't want and i can tell you, seniors understand once medicare is seen as a cash cow to pay for the federal budget no matter what it is you can wave good-bye to it. i think that's a powerful point. i thought paul did a good job last night talking about it and i'm sure governor romney will in the next debate. >> senator jim talent thanks for joining us. >> thank you, andrea. >> up next, the democratic take on last night's debate. party chair deppby wasserman-schultz. >> time for the your business entrepreneur of the week. former model
making medicare stronger except what the president did with obama care. >> romney takes the same $716 billion out. the same number. >> the ryan plan is designed to make medicare stronger and it does it along the lines of medicare advantage and part d. it does it by giving seniors more choices and counting on them to police the waste and the fraud in the system and that's worked very well with medicare advantage and medicare part d. aimed at saving medicare. obama care takes money...
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. >> look what obama care does. it takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. even their own chief actuary says you can't claim this goes to medicare and obama care and then they cut medicare each and every year in ways that will denied care for current seniors. this board, 15 people, the president will appoint them next year, and not one with medical training. they haven't put a credible solution on the table. he'll tell you about vouchers, say all of these things to try and scare people. here is what we're saying. give younger people when they become medicare eligible. guaranteed coverage options, you can't be denied. including traditional medicare. choose your plan and medicare subsidizes premiums morning coverage for middle income people. choice and competition, we would rather have 50 million future seniors determine how they are getting it, rather than 15 bureaucrats. >> it heard this same thing about death panels from sarah palin. what we did, we cut the costs of ed medicare, stopped overpaying insurance companies when doctors and hospitals -- the ama su
. >> look what obama care does. it takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. even their own chief actuary says you can't claim this goes to medicare and obama care and then they cut medicare each and every year in ways that will denied care for current seniors. this board, 15 people, the president will appoint them next year, and not one with medical training. they haven't put a credible solution on the table. he'll tell you about vouchers, say all of these things to try...
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- medicare and to obama care. 7.4 million seniors are projected to lose the medicare covers they have. >> that did not happen. more people sign up for at medicare after the change. >> vice president i know you're under a lot of the rest--addresdur ess. >> don't take up the whole four minutes then. >> citizens will be held as questions of the candidates. the topics will be foreign and domestic issues. that is this coming tuesday and york. you'll be able to watch that debate in its entirety on 247 news channel 193. >> can wall street reversed its losing ways? and he will see what it samsung is doing now to take on the iphone 5. we'll have (car horn) paying with your smartphone instead of cash... (phone rings) that's a step forward. with chase quickpay, you can send money directly to anyone's checking account. i guess he's a kicker... again, again! oh, no you don't! take a step forward and chase what matters. >> the dow is down 19 points. we're looking for a positive start to this morning. despite the big drop in unemployment claims and the dow is down 19 points. j.p. morgan and chased r
- medicare and to obama care. 7.4 million seniors are projected to lose the medicare covers they have. >> that did not happen. more people sign up for at medicare after the change. >> vice president i know you're under a lot of the rest--addresdur ess. >> don't take up the whole four minutes then. >> citizens will be held as questions of the candidates. the topics will be foreign and domestic issues. that is this coming tuesday and york. you'll be able to watch that...
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care takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. all you seniors out there, have you been denied choices? they haven't put a credible solution on the table. their ideas are old and their ideas are bad and they eliminate the guarantee of medicare. this is their essential claim that my opponent will destroy medicare, but is that really true? let's take a look at some of the facts and i'll bring in tools and look at the white house plan to begin with. this is the landscape they're dealing with. the cost of medicare will generally increase over the next ten years until it reaches about $1 trillion annually. they want to reduce that by about 10%. that's the orange part here. that's the part they're cutting out. now, their opponents look at that and say that's real care for real people that you're getting rid of and you just can't do that, but the white house says hold on. no, it's not, that's a reduction in the amount of money that we're paying to the administrative costs and to the hospitals and insurance programs. in a word, they say t
care takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. all you seniors out there, have you been denied choices? they haven't put a credible solution on the table. their ideas are old and their ideas are bad and they eliminate the guarantee of medicare. this is their essential claim that my opponent will destroy medicare, but is that really true? let's take a look at some of the facts and i'll bring in tools and look at the white house plan to begin with. this is the landscape they're...
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look what obama care does. it takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. you can't spend the same dollar twice. you can't claim this money goes to medicare and obama care. then they put this obama care board in charge of cutting medicare each year that will lead to denial of care for current seniors. social security, if we don't shore up social security, when we run out of the ious, when the program goes bankrupt, a 25% across the board benefit cut kicks in on seniors in the middle of their retirement. they haven't put a credible solution on the table. he'll tell you about vouchers and say all these things to scare people. give younger people, when they become medicare eligible, guaranteed coverage options that you can't be denied, including traditional medicare. more coverage for middle income people and total out of pocket coverage for the poor and sick. choice and competition. we would rather have 50 million future seniors determine how their medicare is delivered to them, instead of 15 bureaucrats deciding wha when, if and where they get it. >> i heard
look what obama care does. it takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. you can't spend the same dollar twice. you can't claim this money goes to medicare and obama care. then they put this obama care board in charge of cutting medicare each year that will lead to denial of care for current seniors. social security, if we don't shore up social security, when we run out of the ious, when the program goes bankrupt, a 25% across the board benefit cut kicks in on seniors in the...
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look what obama care does. obama care takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. even their own chief actuary at medicare backs this up. he says you can't spend the same dollar twice. you can't claim this money goes to medicare and obama care. and then they put this new obama care board in charge of cutting medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors. this board, by the way, it's 15 people, the president's supposed to appoint them next year. and not one of them even has to have medical training. and social security, if we don't shore up social security, when we run out of the ious, when the program goes bankrupt, a 25% across the board benefit cut kicks in on current seniors in the middle of their retirement. we're going to stop that from ppening. they haven't put a credible solution on the table. he'll tell you about vouchers. he'll say all these things to try and scare people. here's what we're saying. give younger people when they become medicare eligible guaranteed coverage options that you can't be denied including t
look what obama care does. obama care takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. even their own chief actuary at medicare backs this up. he says you can't spend the same dollar twice. you can't claim this money goes to medicare and obama care. and then they put this new obama care board in charge of cutting medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors. this board, by the way, it's 15 people, the president's supposed to appoint them next...
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hands in the cookie jar turning medicare onto a piggy bank for obama care. >> who got the story more right there? >> well, we are talking about the federal budget here. it's very complex. the $720 billion over ten years, that was taken, was reductions to providers in medicare and the obama administration was using that to help pay for the health care bill. on balance there, you could say ryan kind of had it more right, but like i said, it's very complex. government fund is not like you're taking it out of a cookie jar. >> moving money from one account to another and floating between those two accounts. you had a lot of truth checking to do last night. we didn't go through all of them, all said, who would you say was telling the most truth ? >> i try to avoid that kind of question just because it's hard to take an example of a small statement versus a big statement. i think bhooiden's libya commen was eye raising and the white house's explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. a number of occasions having to do with taxes and budget information that paul ryan got wrong as well. >> glen
hands in the cookie jar turning medicare onto a piggy bank for obama care. >> who got the story more right there? >> well, we are talking about the federal budget here. it's very complex. the $720 billion over ten years, that was taken, was reductions to providers in medicare and the obama administration was using that to help pay for the health care bill. on balance there, you could say ryan kind of had it more right, but like i said, it's very complex. government fund is not like...
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look what obama care does. it takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. you can't spend the same dollar twice. you can't claim this money goes to medicare and obama care. then they put this obama care board in charge of cutting medicare each year that will lead to denial of care for current seniors. this board is 15 people. the president is supposed to appoint them next year, and not even one of them needs medical training. if we don't shore up social security, when we run out of the iou's, when the program goes bankrupt, a 25% across the board benefit cut kicks in on current seniors in the middle of their retirement. we're going to stop that from happening. they haven't put a credible solution on the table. he'll tell you about vouchers and say all these things to scare people. give younger people, when they become medicare eligible, guaranteed coverage options that you can't be denied, including traditional medicare. more coverage for middle income people and total out of pocket coverage for the poor and sick. choice and competition. we would rather hav
look what obama care does. it takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. you can't spend the same dollar twice. you can't claim this money goes to medicare and obama care. then they put this obama care board in charge of cutting medicare each year that will lead to denial of care for current seniors. this board is 15 people. the president is supposed to appoint them next year, and not even one of them needs medical training. if we don't shore up social security, when we run out of...
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begin killing medicare. doe
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begin killing medicare. do we commence a state-by-state ban of abortion, do we deliver huge new shipments of money in the form of tax cuts to the
begin killing medicare. do we commence a state-by-state ban of abortion, do we deliver huge new shipments of money in the form of tax cuts to the
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listen up. >> obama care takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obamacare, even their own chief actuary at medicare backs this up. he says you can't spend the same dollar twice, you can't claim that this money goes to medicare and obama care. >> that also is true. a july 2012 estimate from the congressional budget office said repealing the affordable care act would increase spending by $716 billion between 2013 and 222. moving on now. a statement from biden from last night's debate regarding the affects of sanctions placed on iran in an attempt to convince it to stop its nuclear weapons program. here is the vice president. >> the ayatollah sees that there are 50% fewer exports of oil. he sees the currency going into the tank. he sees the economy going in a free fall, and he sees the world for the first time totally united in opposition to him getting a nuclear weapon. >> that also is true. bloomberg reported on august 2nd of this year that shipments from iran have plunged by 1.2 million barrels a day or 52% since the sanctions banning the purchase, transport, financing and insur
listen up. >> obama care takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obamacare, even their own chief actuary at medicare backs this up. he says you can't spend the same dollar twice, you can't claim that this money goes to medicare and obama care. >> that also is true. a july 2012 estimate from the congressional budget office said repealing the affordable care act would increase spending by $716 billion between 2013 and 222. moving on now. a statement from biden from last night's...
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. >> obama care takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. >> all you seniors out there, have you been denied choices? have you lost medicare advantage. >> they haven't put a credible solution on the table. >> their ideas are old, and their ideas are bad, and they eliminate the guarantee of medicare. >> this is the essential claim that my opponent will destroy medicare. is that really true. let take a look at some of the facts. i'll bring in some tools here and look at the white house plan to begin with. this is the landscape they are dealing with. the cost of medicare is going to generally increase over the next ten years until it reaches about $1 trillion annually. they want to reduce that by about 10%. that's the orange part here. that's the part they are cutting out. now, their opponents look at that and say that's real care for real people that you're getting rid of, and you just can't do that, but the white house says hold on, no, it's not. that's a reduction in the amount of money that we're paying to the administrative costs, of hospitals and to insurance program
. >> obama care takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. >> all you seniors out there, have you been denied choices? have you lost medicare advantage. >> they haven't put a credible solution on the table. >> their ideas are old, and their ideas are bad, and they eliminate the guarantee of medicare. >> this is the essential claim that my opponent will destroy medicare. is that really true. let take a look at some of the facts. i'll bring in some...
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they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar turning medicare into a piggy bank for obama care. they came to congress and said one out of six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business as a result of this. 7.4 million seniors are projected to lose the medicare coverage they have. it's a $3200 benefit cut. these are from your own -- >> more people signed up for medicare after the change. >> mr. vice president -- mr. vice president, i know you are under a lot of duress to make up for round one, but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> they have not been big on medicare from the beginning. they have always been about social security as little as you can do. use your common sense, who do you trust on this? a man who introduced a bill that would raise $6400 a year knowing it and passing it and romney saying he would sign it. >> that statistic was completely misleading. more importantly, this is what politicians do when they don't have a record to run on. try to scare people from voting for you. medicare did so much for my
they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar turning medicare into a piggy bank for obama care. they came to congress and said one out of six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business as a result of this. 7.4 million seniors are projected to lose the medicare coverage they have. it's a $3200 benefit cut. these are from your own -- >> more people signed up for medicare after the change. >> mr. vice president -- mr. vice president, i know you are under a lot of...
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a ellos se los agarrÓ robÁndole al programa de medicare para obama care. su iniciativa fue ir al congreso y decirle uno de cada 6 hospitales y asilos de ancianos van a terminar de operar como resulto de esto 7 millones de ancianos van a perder la cobertura que tienen. y esto es de los propios actÚa rÍos. >>> mas personas estuvieron a favor de medicare. yo sÉ que tiene presiÓn para recuperar el sterr no perdido si no interÉs rru peumos serÁ mejor. >>> no tomes 4 minutos entonces, >>> estamos diciendo, no cambie las prestaciones para mÁs de 5 aÑos. ya han organizado su jubilaciÓn. >>> cual es su plan especÍfico para los ancianos que no pueden a pron tar la dirnz. un plan de una prima. o lo que llaman boucher o cupÓn ¿como se compone eso?. >>> el ajuste de las primas seÁa quitar subsidios a las personas mÁs pudientes esos 6. 400 dÓlares no son fiables como cifra. es un plan, que yo organice con un... >>> ni siquiera hay un demÓcrata. que lo endosa. >>> nuestro socio es un demÓcrata del estado de oregon y dijo que no respalda. >>> y lo reempla
a ellos se los agarrÓ robÁndole al programa de medicare para obama care. su iniciativa fue ir al congreso y decirle uno de cada 6 hospitales y asilos de ancianos van a terminar de operar como resulto de esto 7 millones de ancianos van a perder la cobertura que tienen. y esto es de los propios actÚa rÍos. >>> mas personas estuvieron a favor de medicare. yo sÉ que tiene presiÓn para recuperar el sterr no perdido si no interÉs rru peumos serÁ mejor. >>> no tomes 4 minutos...
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could they pay for fo for obamacare without raiding medicare under the obama plan. >> absolutely not. i thought we saw a complete tras in style and substance. the vice president's style was bluster, and i don't think we need that in a leader. ryan's style was solutions. what the president has done is taken $716 billion from estimate, not our estimate, that's the congressional budget office to pay for obama care, the exchangs of their program. that ruins medicare for so many seniors and puts in place there 15-member independent payment advisory board to make certain that they quote, save that money. jamie: paul ryan points out and this is interesting because you are a surgeon we'll have nobody potentially on that committee that has a medical background. >> that's exactly right. jaime as you know by law a majority of them cannot have practiced medicine or not have served patients. this is just astounding, as opposed to the positive solution that we put forward which is to make it so that those in and nyiri taoeurplt don't see any changes to at current medicare program, have expand epd c
could they pay for fo for obamacare without raiding medicare under the obama plan. >> absolutely not. i thought we saw a complete tras in style and substance. the vice president's style was bluster, and i don't think we need that in a leader. ryan's style was solutions. what the president has done is taken $716 billion from estimate, not our estimate, that's the congressional budget office to pay for obama care, the exchangs of their program. that ruins medicare for so many seniors and...
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last spring, president obama took the issues of medicare and debt to the stage in washington. >> i will not allow medicare to become a voucher program that leaves seniors at the mercy of the insurance industry; with shrinking benefits to pay rising costs. >> reporter: with ryan in the front row mr. obama laid bare the agenda for a political season that hadn't yet arrived. in the primaries, former governor mitt romney said he fully supported the ryan plan, but he has since backed away from a complete endorsement. >> people become concerned. no changes for current retirees >> reporter: meanwhile, democrats across the country had seized on the ryan budget well before he was on the republican ticket. >> i think we have to remember that democrats were talking about paul ryan and paul ryan's budget months before governor romney even chose him to be his running mate, this was already an issue, it was already in ads, and something that was already part of the conversation at the congressional level, before paul ryan was named the v.p. running mate. >> reporter: here outside buffalo, ny, congres
last spring, president obama took the issues of medicare and debt to the stage in washington. >> i will not allow medicare to become a voucher program that leaves seniors at the mercy of the insurance industry; with shrinking benefits to pay rising costs. >> reporter: with ryan in the front row mr. obama laid bare the agenda for a political season that hadn't yet arrived. in the primaries, former governor mitt romney said he fully supported the ryan plan, but he has since backed...
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begin killing medicare? do we commence a state by state ban of abortion? do we deliver tax cuts? it's important that the president do this for the basic reason that people in this country know what they are voting for and if they decide against. and that's "hardball" for now. "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks, chris, and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, no hiding from biden. for months mitt romney and paul ryan have been running from their records, hiding their extreme far right agenda behind platitudes and big promises, trying to pin them down on specifics was like trying to nail jello to the wall. but that all stopped last night. we'll talk about all of it in the show tonight, how vice president biden took the fight to paul ryan on issue after issue. on taxes, on medicare, on abortion, on their plan to privatize social security and to gut medicare. joe biden simply dismantled the romney/ryan world view. but also talk about how the right wingers are trying to make a b
begin killing medicare? do we commence a state by state ban of abortion? do we deliver tax cuts? it's important that the president do this for the basic reason that people in this country know what they are voting for and if they decide against. and that's "hardball" for now. "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks, chris, and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, no hiding from biden. for months mitt romney and paul ryan have been running...
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$716 billion of medicare savings is a cut. actually it's the same savings that ryan has in his own exact plan. >> now, aarp endorsed it, do you really think they'd be out in the business of wrecking medicare? do you think all the old geezers like me would still pay their aarp dues if they thought thea arp was wrecking medicare? i mean, come on, give me a break here. but he's got to stand up there with a straight face and say all that stuff. >> some geezer. nobody breaks it down better than big bill. we'll be right back. common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. >>> welcome back to "hardball." whether you loved it or not or hated it, joe biden's performance dominated the stage last night as he went on offense against paul ryan and mitt romney. let's take a look. >> i have never met two guys who were more down on amer
$716 billion of medicare savings is a cut. actually it's the same savings that ryan has in his own exact plan. >> now, aarp endorsed it, do you really think they'd be out in the business of wrecking medicare? do you think all the old geezers like me would still pay their aarp dues if they thought thea arp was wrecking medicare? i mean, come on, give me a break here. but he's got to stand up there with a straight face and say all that stuff. >> some geezer. nobody breaks it down...